Mike Griffin: 0:13

Hello and Hello and welcome back to Marketing Qualified. I'm Mike Griffin and I'm Chris Newman, and this is episode number three. First and foremost, if you've made it to episode number three, we want to give a very sincere thank you to mom, dad, and our spouses Appreciate you guys coming along for the ride with us here. We got some interesting things we want to talk about today. We decided not to move forward with Chris's initial pitch, which is recording this after a wedding and a open bar until was it 1 am.

Chris Newton: 0:58

Open bar ended around, I think, 11, if I remember correctly, but the rest of the drinking ended around one.

Mike Griffin: 1:03

Yes, so if we had recorded at midnight, we really would have struck the sweet spot, so we could still understand what you're saying, but there's a little bit of room for interpretation, which is not too different than what we do ordinarily, I suppose.

Chris Newton: 1:18

Yeah, I mean it definitely wouldn't have been different. I gave a bunch of unsolicited marriage advice to the newlywed groom at the bar that we went to after the thing, and it's kind of similar to what you and I do, mike, where we just give a bunch of unsolicited marketing advice to our users. What the fuck is this podcast all about?

Mike Griffin: 1:36

That's so real. Yeah, I should actually be bullet point number one on a LinkedIn profile. What do you do for you? I give unsolicited advice mostly. So, speaking of things that are unsolicited, I know there was something that you had top of mind you wanted to talk about, as it pertained to actually the interview process for getting a new gig in the first place. Would you, would you have in mind there?

Chris Newton: 1:59

Oh yeah, I mean, this is definitely fresh on on my mind. You know, I was looking for a new job in the Q4 of 2023 last year. It took a couple months to find the job that I'm very happy with right now. But yeah, during the process of looking for a new job, I noticed that this is happening even more and more and more, and it's definitely something that kind of grinds my gears, so to speak, is asking candidates to do free work during the interview process. You know, as somebody who has been, you know, doing freelancing for over 10 years, you know have tons of experience doing marketing and whatnot I find the concept of doing work for a company for free like extremely like illegal first of all, and the fact that companies get away with this during the interview process is just kind of crazy. And like I get that.

Chris Newton: 2:46

Hiring an employee is a big decision, you know. Obviously you want to make sure that they're a good fit for the company, they're going to work well with the team, they're going to provide a good work output and whatnot, but that shouldn't be on the employee, who's already spending a lot of time and, you know, effort in preparing for interviews and doing research on the company and, you know, taking time out of their day to actually talk to the people. It doesn't seem fair that they should spend extra time doing work that the company may or may not use and first of all, like if the company is going to use it, great, then that makes it seem like it's a benefit to the company and a benefit to the employee. But if they do use it, the employee should fully be. Or the prospective employee should say the person interviewing for the role should be fully compensated for that work that they're producing, just like full stop, end of story. Any other situation should clearly be illegal and it should violate laws, but I don't really think that that'll become illegal anytime soon just because Congress is filled with people who don't do any work and get paid for it anyways. If they were ever in a situation where they were asked to do work without pay, they'd probably change that law right away, immediately, yeah.

Chris Newton: 3:55

And on the flip side, if the company is like oh yeah, we want you to do this demo project or this fake project or whatever and we're not going to use it, then my, my, in my mind, I'm just like well, why the fuck do I want to waste my time. It's like, why am I wasting time so that you guys can like take this work and not do anything with it? It's like, why don't we do something that's mutually beneficial to both of us? And like, granted, I have had interviews in the past where they agreed to like pay us you know what a predetermined amount of money for whatever work I'm doing as part of the interview process ahead of time. And that's fine, I mean I'm okay with that, and then it's, you know, I can decide if I want to, you know, spend the time on it, or you know if it's worth the time or not.

Chris Newton: 4:34

But to just completely do work that you're not getting compensated for and that that might not even be used, just seems like it shouldn't be a part of the interview process. And I definitely think that this is a newer thing that I haven't really seen much. I'll let you kind of weigh in.

Mike Griffin: 4:50

Yeah, it's such a good topic. First of all, our one legally inclined listener who's working their way through LSTAT prep. Please do let us know the potential illegality of such an engagement. Really curious to know what the deal there is. Secondly, you know what?

Mike Griffin: 5:08

The first thing that came to mind for me was, man, as you were running through that was, you had a previous employer that at one point almost became my employer as well, and it was that company that had me do what was irrefutably the most colossal waste of my time that I've ever gone through in an interview process. They called it a teardown and the recruiter, bless their heart, must have been two months into the position and tried to spin it as this fun little exercise which will give me an opportunity to show prowess, and what have you? I believe they gave me an assignment based on an existing client at the time. So, first and foremost, I'm like is the AM struggling here? Like, what am I doing, doing this thing for? And yeah, no, there was no sign. There was no hope of receiving any kind of compensation for it. I want to echo your sentiment, right? I mean, like it is. I believe, at the very minimum, there should be some type of disclosure about an estimated time to complete a project, like I have run into those in the past where it's like don't spend more than an hour or so putting this together so you're not over-solving for this thing, you're burning the midnight oil unnecessarily. But I do also think I've actually cards on the table. I've never seen what you were describing and that is an offered bit of compensation for the time that you're doing, especially if it is something that, were you accepted into that position, the company could use and put to work immediately. That seems fair.

Mike Griffin: 6:46

I was thinking before you mentioned the compensation for the time. Maybe that's somehow incorporated into a sign on bonus, right? Maybe that's some other type of a monetary Something's got to give, though, right? Because especially if you're immediately creating value, then that, only that only makes sense. I just don't. I just don't get it. I also don't get why you wouldn't want to provide actual information. I've had some projects in the past that are, as you described it, trying to solve for an actual business opportunity or challenge that the organization is facing, and then I've had those that are just completely made up. Imagine we have this product that we're trying to take to market. Imagine, assume that you have X number of resources and that Y number of sales, and it's just like the fuck are we doing here? Like give me something that I can actually turn into, something tangible, cause that's the entire fucking point of hiring me, is you want more tangible results?

Chris Newton: 7:41

I'm actually curious here. Yeah, exactly, you know you want, they want tangible results, but they're going to give you something intangible to work on. It's like it's kind of a red flag for me. I'm actually curious. I want to ask the three listeners that we have have you been asked to work for free? And if they do give you like like Mike made a good point about the time estimate I've definitely seen companies be like oh, we don't want this to take more than 10 hours of your time.

Chris Newton: 8:06

I'm like well, I don't want it to take any of my time because I think it's a complete waste of time. To be completely honest, unless you're going to pay me to do some actual, you know work that's going to benefit the company, then yes, you know yes.

Chris Newton: 8:18

I think the highest I've been as a recruiter was like we don't want this to take more than 10 hours. I'm like neither do I. My rate's a hundred dollars an hour, just so you know. And then I never heard from her again. We're willing to pay me a thousand dollars. I mean, I could have probably gotten it done in five and then not gotten the job, but you know, I just instead. I just didn't get the job and I saved myself 10 hours. I feel like it was a win-win that's such.

Mike Griffin: 8:41

I'm actually taken aback. Someone actually said to you this thing shouldn't take more than 10 hours. They anticipate some people needing a full 10 hours to complete the assignment. Am I understanding you correctly? That's?

Chris Newton: 8:53

what I understood. Yeah, and I actually I don't even know what the assignment was, because they ghosted me before I could even find out what would be taking me 10 hours to do what would be taking me 10 hours to do.

Mike Griffin: 9:04

Oh my God. Everything about that just reeks of unprofessionalism, disorganization, and I'm glad that you dodged that bullet. That is fucking crazy.

Chris Newton: 9:13

I know that, like right now, I know that the job market's not great for a lot of prospective employees and whatnot, but you just got to keep at it. Things will definitely turn around. And just don't ever let a company diminish your value, like you bring more of the tail than a lot of companies can do. And a lot of these jobs, honestly, are just like in my experience, just like ghost fake jobs, where companies want to look like they're growing but they have no intention to hire for roles and it can be super demoralizing for employees, but just keep in mind that you're interviewing the company as much or even more than they're interviewing you, and just don't settle for anything that doesn't seem like a good fit.

Mike Griffin: 9:53

And you'll definitely know when it does seem like a good fit, because everything will fall into place nicely. That's right. Yeah, I mean, never forget your worth and bring that, bring your solid understanding of how valuable you truly are, to each and every conversation you have in the interview process. Really back challenge whatever kind of status quo might be presented to you. In the first place, in addition to the question that Chris put out to our three listeners, I would also wonder has anyone put a project that they did in the interview process into the field upon beginning their adventure at their new career? I think that would be really interesting to know.

Mike Griffin: 10:26

And then, secondly, what could be done instead of this right, like I understand there are NDAs in some instance to consider, but like wouldn't it be more valuable if you could, you know, blur out some of the figures and what have you? But go through an actual project you've done in your current capacity as an employee at your current organization or from a past organization, like again for the lstat study or out there? Don't at me any kind of breach of confidence or anything like that, but it seems to me like there's just a better way to get a sense of the, the value that this person could bring to your org, rather than having them go through this entire made-up hypothetical situation. That's all right. Yeah, I agree with that um, jesus, cool.

Chris Newton: 11:11

Uh, do we want to go to? Uh, do you want to jump to three headlines in one hoax?

Mike Griffin: 11:17

I, I'm excited for this.

Chris Newton: 11:19

Yes, I'm nervous, but I'm excited the way this is going to work is I'm going to read three headlines from this week. It's the week ending marketing or, sorry, the week ending March 22nd. That's how you can know that we work in marketing, because we don't actually say the actual date, we say the week ending.

Chris Newton: 11:35

So, yeah, this is the week ending 322 when we haven't hit our weekly goal. So yeah, slow, slow month, slow month. But that being said, we're gonna read uh three um headlines from this week. Uh, two of them are real headlines, one of them is a hoax and mike is gonna try to identify the hoax.

Mike Griffin: 11:57

Uh, so, with that, here we go um.

Chris Newton: 12:00

Headline number one reddit pops 48 percent in new york stock Exchange debut after selling shares at the top of its range. Headline number two McDonald's restaurant in Louisville, kentucky, begins testing emotion detection technology. Claims to boost sales by understanding patrons' feelings. Headline number three is Shohei Ohtani, like Pete Rose, dodger star, not accused of betting. So, wow, these are good headlines. Uh, first is reddit pops 48, second, mcdonald's uh restaurant is testing emotion detection technology and the third is uh about shohei otani, uh dodgers star, not accused of sports betting, which, as uh, some people, or most people, probably know, in the mlb, sports betting, in most sports, actually sports betting, especially on yourself or your own team or games that you're involved in, is extremely illegal and can get you banned from the league damn, these are really really good.

Mike Griffin: 13:04

I okay, what the hell is a motion detection technology? Is that different than just like watching the CCTV footage right Of people in and having like this big dumb shit eating? Grins come over their face when they're biting into a Big Mac. Or if you're like my son, you take one bite of something, just throw it on the ground. Clearly he's not happy with that experience. Very curious about that. I'm so out of the loop when it comes to MLB stuff right now. Man out of the loop when it comes to mlb stuff right now. Man, like that sounds believable. But oh boy, I don't know that's that's tough. And the reddit one, I'm fairly sure I know the ipo, I know it went pretty well. I was looking it up at one point earlier this, earlier this week. But fuck, I, I'm gonna go with mcdonald's the emotion detection that that please tell me that's fake. Please tell me that's a hoax. Is that is?

Chris Newton: 13:50

that fake you're, you're, you're right on that one. Yeah, that's the, that's the hope. God, um, chat, chat. Gpt helped me come up with that one, but uh, yeah, I just thought that was hilarious stuff. Uh, you know that is something that could be. You know people going to mcdonald's and the whole thing is that you know they call them happy meals for for children. You know it makes, makes them. You know, associate going to McDonald's with happiness. And then when you're a depressed adult you know, driving home from your miserable soul, crushing job interview, or they made you do a bunch of work for free and you didn't get the job you stop at McDonald's because you're feeling down in the dumps and you get a Big Mac and then suddenly you feel you feel happier again. You know McDonald's, if you're listening emotion detection technology, you know maybe somebody comes in, they're having a rough day. Throw them a free small fry. They'll thank you for it in spades later they sure will.

Mike Griffin: 14:39

Yeah, and Burger King. If you're listening, you're welcome. You get a competitive edge here. Mcdonald's can roll this out. Do you have a preference in terms of burger, or we'll say chicken nuggets? Okay, burger, chicken nuggets fries.

Chris Newton: 15:05

In those three categories, who is the top provider in your opinion between McDonald's, wendy's and Burger King? Well, fries, definitely McDonald's, I think that goes without saying, right? What's your thoughts?

Mike Griffin: 15:14

on the fries. I man, please don't cancel me I really like burger king fries. They're so tasty. I know that was like not their thing for a really long time and they changed them and I I'm a burger king fries evangelist there that that might actually come down.

Chris Newton: 15:32

I don't know if you remember these commercials. I think they were back in the 90s or something. I remember when Burger King launched the new fries and I remember I think it was Mr Potato Head from Toy Story. I talked about like marketing that sticks with you. I still think of Mr Potato Head when I go to Burger King and have the fries.

Mike Griffin: 15:53

So just to be clear on this you're comfortable consuming Mr Potato Head and his family when you consume Burger King fries. Is that what I'm hearing you say? That's exactly right. Yeah, nice, nice, nice, okay. Fair enough, okay.

Chris Newton: 16:02

And for Burger. I'd have to go with Burger King for the burger. Love a good Whopper, you know. Love the delicious flame grilled taste. Um, you know, love the, the delicious flame grilled taste. Uh, burger king is not a sponsor yet, by the way, but, um, maybe someday. Uh, what was your thoughts on the best burger?

Mike Griffin: 16:19

best burger to me is mcdonald's. I'm a sucker for it, man, just like the classic double cheeseburg meal that, uh, it's my bread and butter, or my burger and fries, if you will.

Chris Newton: 16:31

And chicken. I don't know. I think it's been so long since I've had like chicken nuggets from any of them. If I like, can I pivot and say chicken sandwich? Yeah, totally, if I go chicken sandwich I've got to go Wendy's on the chicken sandwich. I mean ideally like a Popeye's or something, but wendy's chicken sandwich I think it has both mcdonald's and bk lounge beat wow, okay.

Mike Griffin: 16:56

Well, there goes the bk sponsorship. Thanks, man, terrific. Uh, yeah, okay, I, I don't have too much to challenge there pretty pretty, pretty aligned.

Chris Newton: 17:06

So I I actually have a question. I'm assuming that javier is a big fan of. Uh, javier is mike's son. Uh, I think he's. He's gonna be two in august right, that's right.

Mike Griffin: 17:15

Yeah, crazy to me, by the way, I'm assuming he's probably had chicken uh, chicken nuggets.

Chris Newton: 17:19

Is there one brand that he throws on the floor less than other brands?

Mike Griffin: 17:25

he is an equal opportunity chicken nugget floor thrower. He does not discriminate across brands. Yeah, great question.

Chris Newton: 17:35

So maybe we just got the sponsorship back from one of those. This episode of Marketing Qualified is brought to you by McDonald's. They have the chicken nuggets that Javier throws on the floor as much as any other chicken nugget.

Mike Griffin: 17:50

It's perfect. It's perfect. Yeah, I mean, god is evident from that tagline that I'm more of a demand gen person than a brand marketing man. Ah, classic, okay, so that's the potential headline to sponsor tagline for moving forward. I know that you also wanted to talk about something from the not too distant past, but something that happened previously, right?

Chris Newton: 18:14

Yeah, so this is. I'll ask you what you think. I'll read the question first and then I'll say the fact. So what is the most widely distributed book in 2016? So not too long ago, about eight years ago or so, trump came down the escalator famously to announce that he was running for president, and then shit got weird real fast uh this, uh this. It was not a clue. It may or may not have anything to do with that.

Mike Griffin: 18:45

Oh, damn okay, because I was thinking if it's based on that, then what's the name of his, his book, the art of the deal?

Chris Newton: 18:52

right he has. Yeah, I, I shouldn't have said that. It has honestly nothing okay, okay, so, no.

Mike Griffin: 18:57

So, 2016, trying to think of what else was going. Distributed book is an interesting word choice, right, because it's not like the most populated. Ah boy, 2016, 2016, what was it? What was dan brown doing in 2016? Did he was the stupid origin book that came out. Shout out to dan brown, he's a great, great author for your guilty pleasure, yeah I feel like he's probably still.

Chris Newton: 19:19

He's probably still cashing checks, no doubt, no doubt.

Mike Griffin: 19:22

Yeah, he spent the entire year. He needs not write a book ever again, but in fact, please don't after the last one, it really wasn't. Was all that great dude. I don't. I'm not gonna lie, I don't have a clue. What was the most widely distributed book in 2016?

Chris Newton: 19:36

uh. So if, let me give you three choices, uh, of common, widely distributed books, and then you can pick the one that you think is uh is correct, so cool one that always comes to mind for me is the bible um, obviously one of the most widely distributed books in the world. Um. Second, we're gonna go harry potter, um, just as a as a series, like any of the harry potter books. As a as a series, okay, okay, and um. Third, I'm gonna throw, third, I'm going to throw you a curveball here. The IKEA catalog, what?

Mike Griffin: 20:05

the fuck. You've had a couple of knee bucklers today, I don't know. Just out of sheer bizarreness, I have to say the IKEA catalog, because I kind of want that to be true, is it?

Chris Newton: 20:21

true, that is actually true. Yeah, 2016 and actually many years, 2016 was actually the peak year, yeah, I keep kind of log was the most widely distributed article of you know anything like widely distributed book. In the entire year, 200 million copies distributed in 2016. In the entire year, 200 million copies distributed in 2016.

Mike Griffin: 20:46

Now I can't believe it, yeah.

Chris Newton: 20:51

Originally launched in 1951, available only in Swedish back in 1951. In 2016, it grew to 200 million copies, available in 69 different versions, 32 languages and over 50 markets. And what's even more shocking is I think it was 2021 where they shipped the last one. They don't do them anymore Because I think people finally realized that most people just go online to the internet and shop on there.

Mike Griffin: 21:18

It's such a time. First of all, I think they messed up. If they wanted to really have an impact, they would circulate that many catalogs and send a complimentary cinnamon roll to whomever the recipient was. I love a good IKEA cinnamon roll, Shamelessly. I'll share that with you.

Chris Newton: 21:35

Secondly, it's so tiny, the meatballs there. I have no shame in saying I've driven to an IKEA just for the meatballs.

Mike Griffin: 21:43

I have no shame in saying I've driven to an Ikea just for the meatballs it uh, listen, who among us hasn't enjoyed a good Ikea meatball? Uh, and the second thing I want to say, just like it's so timely. Just earlier this week I was thinking back about the kids. Like my son will never know the, the, the labor, but also, like the, the nostalgia of going through a catalog and clipping out coupons with his parents and his grandparents to then go to the brick and mortar store and make a purchase and haggle with the person about whether or not they're going to honor the coupon price or not. It's just, it's crazy. I just log online, but that's neither here nor there.

Chris Newton: 22:17

The amount of power that those minimum wage cashiers used to wield back then Unbelievable. Bring wage cashiers used to wield back, then, you know, unbelievable. Bring the power back to the people, you know. Uh, one thing, I'm not sure if you got this. I think we've gotten them in the mail. The past couple years is amazon's actually brought back the christmas catalog like the toy christmas catalog did you get? One of those this past year no I didn't?

Chris Newton: 22:38

we literally got like a catalog that had like a bunch of like all the hottest like christmas toys. I think it was like delivered in like november or december or something, and we actually went through it. We actually picked a couple gifts out for my nephew, uh, from this amazon catalog and like they have like like I guess like links or whatever to search for on amazon and then you just order it on amazon it gets shipped to you. This is bullshit. Why didn't I get one? I'll send you a link about it after. Uh, I mean I personally think it's great marketing. I mean I always used to love it when the christmas catalog came, when, when I was younger and when I looked through and tell my parents all the toys that I want and they'd be like no, like no just straight up no yeah, it's already.

Mike Griffin: 23:17

Yeah, do me a favor, send me last year's version so I can go through and circle all the things that I would have picked out, and then be disappointed when they're out of stock or just not cool anymore for for this year. That's how we should do it.

Chris Newton: 23:27

Yeah, exactly Beautiful, cool. So, uh, yeah, let's. Uh, should we do a last segment before we let everyone go? Uh, you want to do? There's no shame Like.

Mike Griffin: 23:38

I, I, I do and I'm just so interested in you're on fire today. What the hell do you have cooking up? Just no shame.

Chris Newton: 23:50

I'm going to ask I'll do mine first, and then I'm going to ask you to do yours, and then we can wrap up. But for mine I'm going to say that there's, there's. This actually just happened to me. There's no shame like when you're at a restaurant and you think that your dinner's coming and then you look down at your plate. You laugh to all surprise, like you didn't see that the waitress is coming out with your food and everything. You start rearranging your table, you take the bread plate and move it off to the side to make room for your fat fucking plate of food or whatever.

Chris Newton: 24:19

And the biggest shame is when they walk right by you. It's not even your food and they just like go to the table next to you or they just completely keep walking by you. And then you, you, you look like an asshole because you're, like you know, fixing all your table and like trying to act surprised when it comes like, oh, like my plate's here. Oh, thank you so much. Who's getting the chicken parma? Oh, it's over here, please.

Chris Newton: 24:39

You know, you go through all that, that whole thing. And, um, yeah, when they just like kind of look at you on the side and they're like this fucking cool. Yeah, I I honestly think it's karma coming around because I I was a waiter, uh, all throughout college at uh at a restaurant up in burlington, vermont, and I used to intentionally fuck with people sometimes where I would like start walking towards a table like I'm walking towards her, like it's their food, and then just like do a fake out and just like like you know a little basketball move and just like fake them out. Or just like go to the side and like drop it, drop off the food at a different table. Oh my god you're the devil.

Mike Griffin: 25:12

Yeah you, you totally deserve the shame.

Chris Newton: 25:14

It's immediate karma, geez man, do you know what I'm talking about? Like everyone's done that before, right, you like you, you know. You know that shame, when you're at a restaurant and you think your food's coming, but it's not your food at all, you're actually waiting another 20 minutes for your food to get delivered.

Mike Griffin: 25:30

You literally just finished ordering and somehow you think that your food's coming back. Yeah, all too familiar with that. Quick aside, by the way, I too was a server back in my college days, right, and if someone ever comes to the table, it's like oh, who ordered this? Whatever, not a great server, you're supposed to enter in the meal, the entree, the drinks, all by the seats that are prearranged Like oh, seat number one has this, seat number two has this. So just bear that in mind the next time you're going to a presumably fancy place and then they have just an auction going by the time they arrive to your table.

Chris Newton: 26:01

Yeah, we were always told not to conduct the auction, although a lot of us did it anyways because we were always completely understaffed and swamped anyways. But yeah, the auction. Nothing's worse than the time where I think that somebody auctioned off a food. Like it was like a party of two or something. They auctioned off the food. The guy said that the plate was his, the wife was just like whatever and like got, got the food or whatever. Turns out that it wasn't their food at all. The guy, it wasn't even for their table. The guy was like yeah, that's mine. And then, like he eats half the food. He's like I don't think this is what I ordered, but meanwhile, like they dropped the food off at the wrong table and this guy ate like half this other person's food jesus, it's so crazy.

Mike Griffin: 26:44

We should do a totally separate like tangentially related pod on. Just I had a guy send back a steak once because he didn't believe the chef that it was a new york strip and it was a whole. It was the whole debacle.

Chris Newton: 26:55

But that's actually the spin-off uh podcast coming um restaurant qualified. That's right yeah exactly.

Mike Griffin: 27:01

Stay tuned, tell uh, mom and dad, subscribe to that one too, please. Uh, then, yeah, for me there's no embarrassment like what happened somewhat recently. I was giving a big presentation to a lot of the marketing organization and I saw this is a work-related one, saw we had had a good marketing influence opportunity. It was a new business opportunity, which was great. I presented it as some like big deal win because it was a product that is part of our diversification effort when it comes to bringing a new business via different product or revenue streams. It was all thumping my chest about it. And then someone was like oh, I thought they were a merchant already. I thought they were already a customer. Come to find out. Our CRM.

Mike Griffin: 27:42

Surprise, surprise salesforce wasn't adequately or correctly talking to the opportunity associated to the account. It was in fact a. It was in fact an existing merchant. It was in fact an upsell opportunity, not a new business. So, boy, was that shameful for someone presenting like it was a big, huge win for us. And now, there's anything wrong with an upsell opportunity, right, but when you're touting it as a net, huge win for us. And not that there's anything wrong with an upsell opportunity, right, but when you're touting it as a net new piece of business. It's a bit of an egg on you type of moment, so that's mine.

Chris Newton: 28:13

It's. You know, Salesforce is a unwieldy beast, as a former colleague once said.

Mike Griffin: 28:21

Wisely indeed, and speaking of unwieldy beasts, the two of us are going to use this as our opportunity to sign off. We are just about at the end of our free zoom. Thank you so much for coming back. We can't wait to talk about some more random shit with you next week for episode number four. Like subscribe, roast us in the comments and, uh, we'll talk again real soon. Have a good weekend. Bye, all comments, and we'll talk again real soon. Have a good weekend, bud. Bye all, thank you.